There were problems with the slides cracking on the early guns. Rim lock is where the rim of one cartridge in the magazine literally locks into the round below it and causes a failure to feed. Yes, the above comment is really stupid. The P-32 sits a little lower in the hand to help manage recoil, while the Guardian sits a little higher in the hand with the extra weight in the frame working to reduce the recoil. Now, that’s not proof of anything, but it does suggest that there are lot of people out there buying these little pocket .380s but not shooting them. In that, even non expanding FMJ AND slightly under penetrating HPs are more than sufficient. (Al Capone, John Dillinger, and both Bonnie and Clyde were fans.).
I gave up on a .50BMG for that reason. Because, for some of us older people, with Arthritis, Carpel Tunnel and other kick averse maladies, 380 ACP, PARTICULARLY in small pocket/mouse guns can be too much. Your email address will not be published. The Fiocchi loading of the XTP bullet looked pretty good and even had a little bit of expansion. Always more popular in Europe, .32 ACP pistols Automatic Colt (.32 ACP, .32 auto, 7.65 Browning, 7.65X17mm, etc.) CZ 27 It does have sights, but they are very small. I really enjoy shooting my grandfather’s 1903 Colt. © 2018 Concealed PAtriot All Rights Reserved, Alabama Moves toward Constitutional Carry in 2019, Woman With Gun Holds Home Invader at Gunpoint, Officers and K-9 Injured, 10 Ruger Mini-14 and Mini Thirty Accessories That Are Actually Worth the Money, Gun Review: Savage Axis II XP in .223 Remington, Calm Down, the ATF Has Not Ruled That Your AR or AK Pistol is an NFA Regulated Item, Michelle Obamas Mother Dies, Leaves Inheritance to My Son Michael. He tossed it in a drawer and bought a S&W 642. It’s not my EDC, but I do trust it enough for pocket carry for quick runs to the store, gas station and other “no excuses for not carrying” situations. If that’s you, Kel-Tec still makes the P-32 pocket pistol, a polymer-framed internal-hammer double action only mouse guns that holds 7+1 rounds of .32 ACP.
New shooters may do well to find a Beretta 81 and hunt some extra mags. The Guardian can be upgraded with a variety of in-house customizations, including hardwood grips and slide engraving, while the P-32 can be had in a variety of frame colors and slide finishes.
The P32 feels like a toy but it’d work in a deep conceal. Pretty quiet if you had to shoot indoors. Shot placement, as always, matters most, but the evidence has been in for some time that .380 ACP is generally considered the bare minimum for a self-defense gun if you can’t carry a 9mm. There might be 100 .380s being sold for every one .32, but at Lucky Gunner, the gap between these two calibers is not nearly as wide in terms of ammo sales. For the collector and enthusiast (and the carrier, too), there are some great guns out there. https://www.thetruthaboutguns.com/gun-review-kel-tec-p32-32-acp-semi-automatic-pistol/.
[waves hand]. I have a PP and a Beretta 81. With the Bodyguard .380, I averaged 2.3 seconds.
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Another model to Czech out (ha!) There is a case to be made for loads like this because the flatter tip of a hollow-point that fails to expand could theoretically cause more tissue damage than a round nose bullet.
An’ I kept saying, “Come an’ try”. Believe it or not, there are still a few .32 ACP pistols still being made and ammunition for, them too. All Rights Reserved. The .32 ACP was once one of the most popular concealed carry and law enforcement rounds sold, though it’s inadequacies have been laid bare in the modern era. Aren’t most of us laying in supplies for SHFT rather than collecting things less useful for that?
If you can’t afford a collectible original Colt 1903, US Armament Corp. began manufacturing them under license a few years ago, so you can actually buy a new one, though it will cost you. But I would always err toward more penetration with these pocket pistol calibers. Four of the five rounds had good penetration and it looks like they tried to expand, but didn’t quite open up. BlaqueandBlue at English Wikipedia, from Wikimedia Commons. And let me tell you why. The CZ 50 and CZ 70 (also .32 ACP pistols) are somewhat common on the surplus market as well, but the 83 is the better buy.
They just don’t have enough energy to expand and penetrate.
I bought a North American Arms Seecamp clone when they first came out, along with Win Silver Tips to use in it. Also, from what I can gather from people who have investigated shootings professionally, it’s actually very rare for a small caliber handgun bullet like a .32 ACP to go all the way through a person’s torso and exit the opposite side. The Beretta 81 has a frame mounted safety and is not a de-cocker. BlaqueandBlue at English Wikipedia, from Wikimedia Commons. I still keep a Cavitator in the pipe of my P32, but the mag is strictly FMJ. But ultra compact semi-autos are working guns with the specific purpose of easy concealment in mind. Never owned one but several friends have. The grip texture is very aggressive.
Don’t take my word for it, TTAG thinks so too: We also carry 32 ACP ammunition. A small .32 at least has the potential to make that learning curve quite a bit easier.
The same thing happened again. Yes. But an SD concealed carry gun isn’t supposed to pull the duties and FBI agent would want from their sidearm. Right off the bat, it’s pretty obvious that the only load that consistently penetrated beyond the ideal 12-inch minimum was the Fiocchi 73-grain full metal jacket. But if that was the worst mistake mr. Hoober posted on this site…. Here are six .32 ACP pistols that are well worth a look. With small caliber hollow points, you typically get either good penetration or good expansion. The 81 is a double-stack compact, though a single-stack with thinner grip (the 82) can be found on the used market. As a group, these little semi-autos fit comfortably between the more powerful handguns that get left at home because of weight and size, and the fist full of thin air that comes with having no defensive firearm at all.
Traded it to a friend for my first 03A3.
Before this China flue BS hit, I was going to buy the Beretta 81FS. Using fmj it is flawless in decades of use.
“hoober” and “best” do not belong in the same sentence. The European import surplus guns are very cheap. Typically, the firearm chambered in 32 ACP is smaller and lighter than firearms chambered in more robust rounds. Models in .32 ACP are more rare, but since the P232 was in production until 2014, you shouldn’t have trouble sourcing one. That’s a little less than we’d like to see and there was no expansion. Kel-Tec P-32The P-32, a locked-breach semi-auto pistol, arrived on the self-defense scene in 1999. Primus inter pares among .32 ACP pistols is and always will be the Colt Model 1903, a single-action semi-automatic pistol with a shrouded hammer. Service caliber bullets that go past 18 inches might over penetrate. It’s also a very natural pointer. Non NFA Welrod in 32 would be cool, https://content.osgnetworks.tv/firearmsnews/content/photos/cold-war-pdw-the-czech-vz-61-skorpion-24-770×513.jpg. I take it out and shoot it about once a year. The three most important aspects of a defensive pocket pistol are reliability, reasonable accuracy and pocketability. Jeffrey, I could have written the same post as you. Four of the five rounds had good penetration and it looks like they tried to expand, but didn’t quite open up. The NAA Guardian shares some superficial similarities with the Seecamp pistols, although it is slightly larger and heavier. I know a lot of people still believe a small gun like this doesn’t need sights. Yes, the little Keltec p-32.
A round nose FMJ is not crushing a lot of tissue like we see in the wound channel of a good penetrating hollow point, but that’s just a compromise you have to accept if you’re going to carry a small caliber pistol. guns in this chambering. The .32 ACP was once one of the most popular concealed carry and law enforcement rounds sold, though it’s inadequacies have been laid bare in the modern era.. I carry the NAA Guardian as a backup.
For just a cop, or just a SWAT Team The best .32 ACP pistols for pocket carry should enable safe carry with the chamber loaded, and should be capable of immediate firing by stroking the trigger without having to manipulate an external safety. The P-32 does have a slide lock, which will hold the slide open after the last shot in the magazine is fired. It’s basically a ⅞ scale 92FS, replete with the open-top barrel and slide-mounted ambi de-cocking safeties. So he’s right on that, only not how to use it.
So there is a difference, but it’s not what I would call a significant difference. ©COPYRIGHT 2020, THETRUTHABOUTGUNS.COM ALL RIGHTS RESERVED. However, the process of dropping the empty magazine, loading a fresh magazine and racking the slide to reload, causes the spent case to clear the gun without any additional actions than the usual reloading process requires. Despite the introduction of many compact .380 ACP pistols the .32 ACP is still kicking. Getting the gun to be small often means giving up the weight, size, sights and controls that make handguns comfortable to shoot and operate. The Seecamp LWS is another somewhat older design but it’s slimmer and lighter than the Tomcat. They don’t all have to be combat kit. Despite that, it’s not a very fun pistol to shoot, at least not for me. There might be some others, but if you’re thinking about carrying a .32 ACP pocket pistol that’s in current production, it’s mostly likely one of the four I just mentioned.
We only tested one FMJ load this time. to shoot even with a Handall Jr. We tested eight different loads, each with two pistols — a Kel-Tec P32 with a 2.7-inch barrel and a Beretta Model 81 Cheetah with a 3.8-inch barrel. I didn’t really see anything in our test results that made me want to question that practice.
This time, we tested eight different pocket pistol calibers.
Sayin’ I been oh so mean. No, but few people will line up to be shot by one.
Spanish Ruby (eibar) But that doesn’t mean there isn’t a market for guns chambered in 7.62mm Browning. Historically, bullets that penetrate at least 12 inches in gel have a higher success rate in the real world than those that don’t. Discussion in 'Ammunition Reports' started by blaster, Feb 2, 2020.
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